Delete Color Profile from file

[scrubtown111]

I need to know how to delete (Not convert or change) an embedded color profile from an image file (TIF, TIFF, JPG, JPEG, PNG primarily) with ImageMagick.

I have absolutely no coding experience, I'll need you to explain to me where/what command prompt to use & exactly what command to put into it to delete the color profile from the file.

Referring me to any of the wiki stuff will do me no good ( > http://www.imagemagick.org/script/comma ... hp#profile ) (Every search for ImageMagick removing Color Profiles has led me to there which is why I'm asking here) this is pretty much a copy/paste request. (I'd like to learn, but no programming experience or knowledge to build off of to know where to start or how to do anything so it pretty much leaves me with just that unfortunately)


If anyone can help with this I'd be VERY happy. Thanks!

[snibgo]

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convert in.png +profile"*" out.png

See http://www.imagemagick.org/script/comma ... hp#profile

[scrubtown111]

Where/what do I put that command ( convert in.png +profile"*" out.png ) into & will this delete the color profile without additional steps?

[fmw42]

As a new user, you should get familiar with Imagemagick. First, always provide your IM version and platform when asking questions.

See
http://www.imagemagick.org/script/comma ... essing.php
http://www.imagemagick.org/script/comma ... ptions.php
http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/reference.html
http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/

You would type this in a terminal window after changing directories (cd ...) to the one that has your input and desired output images. The output would have no profiles.

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convert in.png +profile"*" out.png

The above is command line syntax for Imagemagick, but could be used in a PHP exec() command. Sorry I do not know the equivalent in Imagick.

[scrubtown111]

I downloaded ImageMagick-6.9.3-1-Q16-x64-dll.exe (So version 6.9.3) from downloads at http://www.imagemagick.org/script/binar ... hp#windows , I'm on Windows 10 64bit.
This is what ImageMagick opens for me as. Edit, Transform, & Window appear in addition to File, View, & Help when I open up an image.

I checked everything in IMDisplay (ImageMagic Display is the only search result from what was installed to my pc from the download above) but couldn't find a command line or anything. I've been through much of the introductory pages on commands myself already & I wouldn't be here if I knew what/where the command line was I'm supposed to be using to then piece together commands from the help pages on the site.
Am I supposed to install something else or do I have the wrong version? What am I missing here?

[snibgo]

"convert" is a console program, not a GUI (graphical user interface).

Open a Windows Command Prompt, also known as DOS box, or Command Console. I don't know how to do that on Windows 10. "Start", "Run, "Cmd", or something.

Once there, you can type Windows commands. "help" is a command that lists some commands that come with Windows.

You need to change to the directory where your file is (use the "cd" command for this), then give the "convert" command I showed above, but with your own filenames.

[scrubtown111]

"convert" is a console program, not a GUI (graphical user interface).
Open a Windows Command Prompt, also known as DOS box, or Command Console. I don't know how to do that on Windows 10. "Start", "Run, "Cmd", or something.

I didn't know where to enter the command into before thanks for clarifying that. I wasn't sure if it was the Command Prompt I was supposed to be entering the commands into because all the commands in the proper locations I was typing were coming up with errors (As explained below).




I retried the code:

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convert in.png +profile"*" out.png

With my own filenames ( convert Smiley1.png +profile"*" Smiley1.png ) again & this comes up.
I am in the right location where the file is saved at ( C:\Users\(My username but blurred out)\Downloads ). The file name is "Smiley1.png".

Am I doing something wrong?


Also I have a second different question as well: Can you remove/delete embedded camera profiles from image files as well without fully deleting all camera profiles off of your computer? (Wondering if I could then apply a different or custom camera profile to a non RAW file in say Photoshop as a result)

[snibgo]

I need a magnifying glass to read your command and the returned error. You typed:

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+profile"*"

It needs:

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+profile "*"

... with a space before the first quote.

[scrubtown111]

I need a magnifying glass to read your command and the returned error. You typed:

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+profile"*"

It needs:

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+profile "*"

... with a space before the first quote.

Thanks, typo. I copied it directly off of your original comment/response.(No coding experience so unable to tell if that was correct or not)

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convert in.png +profile"*" out.png

Also I have an additional question:

Also I have a second different question as well: Can you remove/delete embedded camera profiles from image files as well without fully deleting all camera profiles off of your computer? (Wondering if I could then apply a different or custom camera profile to a non RAW file in say Photoshop as a result)

(Edited while you were probably typing a response)

[snibgo]

Thanks, typo. I copied it directly off of your original

That's what happens when you trust my answers without following my link to RTFM.

Can you remove/delete embedded camera profiles from image files as well without fully deleting all camera profiles off of your computer?

How is that different to your original question? IM is not concerned with "all camera profiles" on your computer, only with profiles embedded in images. You can remove a profile from an image with "+profile", see above.

This might be unwise. Profiles are there for a reason. They define the meaning of those numbers in the pixels, and say what colours the numbers represent. If you remove the profile, most software (including IM) will assume the image is sRGB, and this might be wrong.

[scrubtown111]

IM is not concerned with "all camera profiles" on your computer, only with profiles embedded in images. You can remove a profile from an image with "+profile", see above.

I'm aware of that & I just want the camera profile removed from the file not from the computer as you stated(Already know how to remove from computer). Really what I'm wondering is are color profiles & camera profiles the same thing or not?
If so & the same command listed before ( convert in.png +profile "*" out.png ) removes camera profiles as well as color profiles I have no more questions regarding camera profile/color profile removal from files & my problem is solved.

Reason why I'm asking this is because;
I used ( convert in.png +profile "*" out.png ) on the image file, however when I import that image to Photoshop the Camera Raw Filter import options that come up under the Camera Calibration tab say the Camera Profile is "Embedded" still. Is this just because there automatically has to be a color profile when working with images in Photoshop & as a result one is automatically added to it (While opened in Photoshop, not overwriting the file itself with one) & converted by default to Adobe RGB (1998)? & the actual file itself doesn't actually have an embedded camera profile because the command did remove it, simply the Photoshop software just says it does regardless because it needs to have one for editing purposes because that's how the software works?
(In shorter terms: Why does Photoshop say there's an embedded camera profile in the image when I open it up if the color profile removing command as stated earlier works for removing camera profiles as well? Or does it not remove camera profiles?)
(I also understand this isn't an Adobe product help forum just wondering if you know off the top of your heads if this is the case or not, if not I'll go elsewhere. I need to know if that same command removes camera profiles as well)

[fmw42]

There are different profiles in an image. +profile "*" removes most all of them from the image. The icc and icm profiles are color profiles, but there are also 8bim profile that I believe contain such things as clip paths and information pertinent to Photoshop. So you may not want to remove them all, but just the color profiles.

see
http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/formats/#profiles

If you are on an older version of IM, there perhaps there is a bug, if Photoshop says there is an embedded profile. Look in the Photoshop Color Settings Window. It should not say that there is an embedded color profile, but would give you an option to select that, if available.

For example:

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convert rose: rose.jpg
identify rose.jpg

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Image: rose.jpg
  Format: JPEG (Joint Photographic Experts Group JFIF format)
  Mime type: image/jpeg
  Class: DirectClass
  Geometry: 70x46+0+0
  Units: Undefined
  Type: TrueColor
  Endianess: Undefined
  Colorspace: sRGB
  Depth: 8-bit
  Channel depth:
    red: 8-bit
    green: 8-bit
    blue: 8-bit
  Channel statistics:
    Pixels: 3220
    Red:
      min: 31 (0.121569)
      max: 255 (1)
      mean: 145.56 (0.570825)
      standard deviation: 69.1755 (0.271277)
      kurtosis: -1.38839
      skewness: 0.139004
      entropy: 0.97057
    Green:
      min: 27 (0.105882)
      max: 255 (1)
      mean: 89.2478 (0.349991)
      standard deviation: 52.4518 (0.205693)
      kurtosis: 2.60493
      skewness: 1.80795
      entropy: 0.869718
    Blue:
      min: 21 (0.0823529)
      max: 255 (1)
      mean: 80.4214 (0.315378)
      standard deviation: 54.9267 (0.215399)
      kurtosis: 2.93861
      skewness: 1.9566
      entropy: 0.85334
  Image statistics:
    Overall:
      min: 21 (0.0823529)
      max: 255 (1)
      mean: 105.077 (0.412065)
      standard deviation: 59.311 (0.232592)
      kurtosis: 1.24655
      skewness: 1.44731
      entropy: 0.897876
  Rendering intent: Perceptual
  Gamma: 0.454545
  Chromaticity:
    red primary: (0.64,0.33)
    green primary: (0.3,0.6)
    blue primary: (0.15,0.06)
    white point: (0.3127,0.329)
  Background color: white
  Border color: srgb(223,223,223)
  Matte color: grey74
  Transparent color: black
  Interlace: None
  Intensity: Undefined
  Compose: Over
  Page geometry: 70x46+0+0
  Dispose: Undefined
  Iterations: 0
  Compression: JPEG
  Quality: 92
  Orientation: Undefined
  Properties:
    date:create: 2016-01-21T16:57:50-08:00
    date:modify: 2016-01-21T16:57:50-08:00
    jpeg:colorspace: 2
    jpeg:sampling-factor: 1x1,1x1,1x1
    signature: be6949bb4b1b38e059e0bbe4e6265a850499898e453a32e8629f89db0d581b9b
  Artifacts:
    filename: rose.jpg
    verbose: true
  Tainted: False
  Filesize: 2.65KB
  Number pixels: 3.22K
  Pixels per second: 322KB
  User time: 0.000u
  Elapsed time: 0:01.009
  Version: ImageMagick 6.9.3-1 Q16 x86_64 2016-01-17 http://www.imagemagick.org

does not show any profiles for me.

When I open it in Photoshop (CS), it does not say there is any embedded profile. The window that opens says Missing Profile and then has 3 options for:

Leave As Is
Assign Working RGB
Assign Profile

[scrubtown111]

If you are on an older version of IM, there perhaps there is a bug, if Photoshop says there is an embedded profile. Look in the Photoshop Color Settings Window. It should not say that there is an embedded color profile, but would give you an option to select that, if available.

I downloaded ImageMagick-6.9.3-1-Q16-x64-dll.exe (So version 6.9.3) from downloads at http://www.imagemagick.org/script/binar ... hp#windows , I'm on Windows 10 64bit.?

My version of ImageMagick^

I am also using Photoshop CC 2015 16.1.1 in case that helps anything.

Microsoft Windows 10 Version 10.0.10586 (As earlier indicated by Command Prompt screen captures)

I neglected to mention (I'm sorry) I tried ( convert in.tif +profile "*" out.tif ) on a .tif file in addition to the .png file.
The PDN file opens directly & the import options in Photoshop don't show up for the file. (Which I assume is because the embedded profiles have been removed for that file?) However when I import the .tif file that I used the same command on as the PNG file Photoshop says it has an embedded profile.
I checked Photoshop's Edit>Color settings & made sure RGB, CMYK, Gray, Color Management Policies were all set to "Off".

I imported my .tif file to Photoshop & Camera Raw Filter's Camera Calibration tab informed me the Camera Profile of the image was still "Embedded":

Here is an example of a RAW file that I know doesn't have a camera profile embedded into it, & it gives the option of Adobe Standard or whatever other custom profile you happen to have on import:

I proceeded to import the .tif file regardless of the "Embedding" option & Photoshop produced a notice that informed me of an embedded profile in the file:



Does ( convert in.tif +profile "*" out.tif ) not work on .tif files..?

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convert rose: rose.jpg
identify rose.jpg

I typed the command:
convert TIFTEST1: TIFTEST1.tif
identify TIFTEST1.tif
Into Command Prompt & image information result as you included in your reply didn't show up for me(The underscore is just blinking on/off):

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Image: rose.jpg
  Format: JPEG (Joint Photographic Experts Group JFIF format)
  Mime type: image/jpeg
  Class: DirectClass
  Geometry: 70x46+0+0
  Units: Undefined
  Type: TrueColor
  Endianess: Undefined
  Colorspace: sRGB
  Depth: 8-bit
  Channel depth:
    red: 8-bit
    green: 8-bit
    blue: 8-bit
  Channel statistics:
    Pixels: 3220
    Red:
      min: 31 (0.121569)
      max: 255 (1)
      mean: 145.56 (0.570825)
      standard deviation: 69.1755 (0.271277)
      kurtosis: -1.38839
      skewness: 0.139004
      entropy: 0.97057
    Green:
      min: 27 (0.105882)
      max: 255 (1)
      mean: 89.2478 (0.349991)
      standard deviation: 52.4518 (0.205693)
      kurtosis: 2.60493
      skewness: 1.80795
      entropy: 0.869718
    Blue:
      min: 21 (0.0823529)
      max: 255 (1)
      mean: 80.4214 (0.315378)
      standard deviation: 54.9267 (0.215399)
      kurtosis: 2.93861
      skewness: 1.9566
      entropy: 0.85334
  Image statistics:
    Overall:
      min: 21 (0.0823529)
      max: 255 (1)
      mean: 105.077 (0.412065)
      standard deviation: 59.311 (0.232592)
      kurtosis: 1.24655
      skewness: 1.44731
      entropy: 0.897876
  Rendering intent: Perceptual
  Gamma: 0.454545
  Chromaticity:
    red primary: (0.64,0.33)
    green primary: (0.3,0.6)
    blue primary: (0.15,0.06)
    white point: (0.3127,0.329)
  Background color: white
  Border color: srgb(223,223,223)
  Matte color: grey74
  Transparent color: black
  Interlace: None
  Intensity: Undefined
  Compose: Over
  Page geometry: 70x46+0+0
  Dispose: Undefined
  Iterations: 0
  Compression: JPEG
  Quality: 92
  Orientation: Undefined
  Properties:
    date:create: 2016-01-21T16:57:50-08:00
    date:modify: 2016-01-21T16:57:50-08:00
    jpeg:colorspace: 2
    jpeg:sampling-factor: 1x1,1x1,1x1
    signature: be6949bb4b1b38e059e0bbe4e6265a850499898e453a32e8629f89db0d581b9b
  Artifacts:
    filename: rose.jpg
    verbose: true
  Tainted: False
  Filesize: 2.65KB
  Number pixels: 3.22K
  Pixels per second: 322KB
  User time: 0.000u
  Elapsed time: 0:01.009
  Version: ImageMagick 6.9.3-1 Q16 x86_64 2016-01-17 http://www.imagemagick.org

As I said earlier I don't know a shred of coding or anything clsoe to it, if the help pages could help me or if I knew the most basic amount of knowledge for anything regarding coding/programming for which I could use as a very very basic building block to then figure this stuff out on my own from the help pages & building my own commands, I would've done it already.
Because either I don't know what I'm doing in regards to understanding anything fundamental from the help pages what so ever to begin to grasp this to a very basic point (Very probable) or as you mentioned there might be a glitch (As far as I know my IM is the newest version, which if I downloaded the wrong one or an old one I'm sure you'd be able to verify either or), the lack of understanding seems more probable.
Which is why I'm here asking about it to grasp the most very fundamental taken-for-granted blocks of understanding towards this & not attempting putting any commands or anything together from the help pages myself (I did try that, but as I tried before with the command snibgo kindly provided but had 1 typo, all came up with errors/invalidity ect or like the command above simply didn't do anything to no avail).

[fmw42]

I tried this

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convert rose: rose.tif
identify -verbose rose.tif
Image: rose.tif
  Format: TIFF (Tagged Image File Format)
  Mime type: image/tiff
  Class: DirectClass
  Geometry: 70x46+0+0
  Units: PixelsPerInch
  Type: TrueColor
  Base type: TrueColor
  Endianess: LSB
  Colorspace: sRGB
  Depth: 8-bit
  Channel depth:
    red: 8-bit
    green: 8-bit
    blue: 8-bit
  Channel statistics:
    Pixels: 3220
    Red:
      min: 35 (0.137255)
      max: 255 (1)
      mean: 145.712 (0.57142)
      standard deviation: 69.2953 (0.271746)
      kurtosis: -1.385
      skewness: 0.14637
      entropy: 0.966517
    Green:
      min: 22 (0.0862745)
      max: 255 (1)
      mean: 89.2602 (0.35004)
      standard deviation: 52.4698 (0.205764)
      kurtosis: 2.63898
      skewness: 1.81893
      entropy: 0.863321
    Blue:
      min: 24 (0.0941176)
      max: 255 (1)
      mean: 80.4683 (0.315562)
      standard deviation: 55.1114 (0.216123)
      kurtosis: 3.01818
      skewness: 1.9795
      entropy: 0.847573
  Image statistics:
    Overall:
      min: 22 (0.0862745)
      max: 255 (1)
      mean: 105.147 (0.412341)
      standard deviation: 59.4199 (0.233019)
      kurtosis: 1.2733
      skewness: 1.45983
      entropy: 0.89247
  Rendering intent: Perceptual
  Gamma: 0.454545
  Chromaticity:
    red primary: (0.64,0.33)
    green primary: (0.3,0.6)
    blue primary: (0.15,0.06)
    white point: (0.3127,0.329)
  Background color: white
  Border color: srgb(223,223,223)
  Matte color: grey74
  Transparent color: black
  Interlace: None
  Intensity: Undefined
  Compose: Over
  Page geometry: 70x46+0+0
  Dispose: Undefined
  Iterations: 0
  Compression: None
  Orientation: TopLeft
  Properties:
    date:create: 2016-01-21T19:30:01-08:00
    date:modify: 2016-01-21T19:30:01-08:00
    signature: a698f2fe0c6c31f83d19554a6ec02bac79c961dd9a87e7ed217752e75eb615d7
    tiff:alpha: unspecified
    tiff:endian: lsb
    tiff:photometric: RGB
    tiff:rows-per-strip: 39
  Artifacts:
    filename: rose.tif
    verbose: true
  Tainted: False
  Filesize: 9.94KB
  Number pixels: 3.22K
  Pixels per second: 3.22EB
  User time: 0.010u
  Elapsed time: 0:01.000
  Version: ImageMagick 6.9.3-1 Q16 x86_64 2016-01-17 http://www.imagemagick.org

Imagemagick does not find any profiles above.

When I open it in Photoshop CS (very old), it shows no sign of any profile. I get the same windows as I did for the rose.png case.

TIFF can be customized and perhaps the tool you used to create the TIFF is including a Custom Profile in some tag that IM does not know about. I do not know much about what current Photoshop versions show regarding such custom profiles. Your screen snap seems to show it as a Custom Profile.

Can you upload your tif file to some place such as dropbox.com and put the URL here?

P.S. None of this topic seems to pertain to Imagick, which is different from Imagemagick. If that is the case, let us know and we will move this discussion to the User's forum.

[scrubtown111]

I tried this

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convert rose: rose.tif
identify -verbose rose.tif
Image: rose.tif
  Format: TIFF (Tagged Image File Format)
  Mime type: image/tiff
  Class: DirectClass
  Geometry: 70x46+0+0
  Units: PixelsPerInch
  Type: TrueColor
  Base type: TrueColor
  Endianess: LSB
  Colorspace: sRGB
  Depth: 8-bit
  Channel depth:
    red: 8-bit
    green: 8-bit
    blue: 8-bit
  Channel statistics:
    Pixels: 3220
    Red:
      min: 35 (0.137255)
      max: 255 (1)
      mean: 145.712 (0.57142)
      standard deviation: 69.2953 (0.271746)
      kurtosis: -1.385
      skewness: 0.14637
      entropy: 0.966517
    Green:
      min: 22 (0.0862745)
      max: 255 (1)
      mean: 89.2602 (0.35004)
      standard deviation: 52.4698 (0.205764)
      kurtosis: 2.63898
      skewness: 1.81893
      entropy: 0.863321
    Blue:
      min: 24 (0.0941176)
      max: 255 (1)
      mean: 80.4683 (0.315562)
      standard deviation: 55.1114 (0.216123)
      kurtosis: 3.01818
      skewness: 1.9795
      entropy: 0.847573
  Image statistics:
    Overall:
      min: 22 (0.0862745)
      max: 255 (1)
      mean: 105.147 (0.412341)
      standard deviation: 59.4199 (0.233019)
      kurtosis: 1.2733
      skewness: 1.45983
      entropy: 0.89247
  Rendering intent: Perceptual
  Gamma: 0.454545
  Chromaticity:
    red primary: (0.64,0.33)
    green primary: (0.3,0.6)
    blue primary: (0.15,0.06)
    white point: (0.3127,0.329)
  Background color: white
  Border color: srgb(223,223,223)
  Matte color: grey74
  Transparent color: black
  Interlace: None
  Intensity: Undefined
  Compose: Over
  Page geometry: 70x46+0+0
  Dispose: Undefined
  Iterations: 0
  Compression: None
  Orientation: TopLeft
  Properties:
    date:create: 2016-01-21T19:30:01-08:00
    date:modify: 2016-01-21T19:30:01-08:00
    signature: a698f2fe0c6c31f83d19554a6ec02bac79c961dd9a87e7ed217752e75eb615d7
    tiff:alpha: unspecified
    tiff:endian: lsb
    tiff:photometric: RGB
    tiff:rows-per-strip: 39
  Artifacts:
    filename: rose.tif
    verbose: true
  Tainted: False
  Filesize: 9.94KB
  Number pixels: 3.22K
  Pixels per second: 3.22EB
  User time: 0.010u
  Elapsed time: 0:01.000
  Version: ImageMagick 6.9.3-1 Q16 x86_64 2016-01-17 http://www.imagemagick.org

Did you type all this, or was this a Command Prompt result? (How did you get this information)

TIFF can be customized and perhaps the tool you used to create the TIFF is including a Custom Profile in some tag that IM does not know about.

The original image was a .JPG, I used File>Save As in Photoshop CC 2015 16.1.1 to save it as a .TIF file.
I didn't apply any custom profiles to this image, or any other image in this comparison on my end at any time what so ever (Merely showing difference between Embedded & being allowed to select a custom/or default Camera Profile in the Photoshop import options).

I do not know much about what current Photoshop versions show regarding such custom profiles. You screen snap seems to show it as a Custom Profile.

I used Adobe DNG Profile Editor to create the custom camera profiles (But it's besides the point, I simply included 1 in the 2nd comparison which aside from showing a file that has no embedded camera profile in it as being able to have different/other options in terms of camera profiles than the first which is clearly embedded, is entirely irrelevant in this instance).

P.S. None of this topic seems to pertain to Imagick, which is different from Imagemagick. If that is the case, let us know and we will move this discussion to the User's forum.

Whichever forum pertains to this download http://www.imagemagick.org/script/binar ... hp#windows ( Version ImageMagick-6.9.3-1-Q16-x64-dll.exe ) (Because this was the only download for ImageMagick for Windows I found on this site under the "downloads" tab above, that I downloaded. I checked index.php before I posted to this & didn't see a "ImageMagick" sub forum or anything that matched that & "IMagick" was closest to that so I thought it must've been the right place to put it. If it's not for some reason it can be moves if it helps more.

Can you upload your tif file to some place such as dropbox.com and put the URL here?

Sure.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/16ad3 ... FTEST1.tif

Really all I want is to remove the camera profile from the image file so Photoshop recognizes it as not "Embedded" in the import options & recognize Adobe Standard or a custom camera profile instead.